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16th 2005f June, 2005

Laptop on the wall - WallTop

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Building a WallTop.

..or How to make use of that old laptop!

..or How to put a laptop inside a regular frame and hang it on the wall!!

This artice was slashdotted on 2005-06-20
Slashdotted on 2005-06-20

by Christoffer Järnåker

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Welcome to my guide on how to convert a laptop into a walltop (that is what is hanging in the middle frame). First, let’s clear out the expression walltop. It’s comes simply from a laptop that is mounted on a wall instead of being ‘mounted’ on your lap. In general it could be a laptop just screwed into the wall, but it could also be a laptop converted into something else like a being mounted inside a regular picture frame. And that is exactly what I did.
Starting in the right end of the story, how did I come up with this? Well, I’ve had an old Dell Latitude CSx (500Mhz 128Mb) that just refused to work on IDE0.

Meaning that using it with an hard drive was out of the question, but the rest was working fine. So, I had this laptop booting on a CD with XPE (Windows XP Preboot Environment) made with BartPE to provide me with the log files from my servers. That was basically it. But it soon took up too much space on my desk and ended up in a corner where it was never used or looked at. But hey - why not take this old laptop, break it down to it’s pieces, mount it into a frame and hang it in the living room showing a slideshow?? It’s definitely silent as it doesn’t have an hard drive. Well, first I was sceptical myself. Power cable and network cable would be difficult to hide, and drilling an hole into my neighbours living room wouldn’t solve anything. Hmm, but let’s go wireless and replace the original power cable with an thin cable in the same colour as the wall!!
So I did.

On the next page we’ll have a look at the software. Not that exiting, but we can’t really do without it.

Digital Picture frame. Second hand laptop. Touch screen, lcd frame. Modern art! eBay. geek, seconhand, used, cheap. Flat panel. LCD Monitor. Plasma

148 Responses to “Laptop on the wall - WallTop”

  1. Whizzbang Says:

    Nice one! I did one of these myself but this one is well polished! alsi you still have the keyboard and mouse working! ;)

    I just control mine over VNC

    Great job!

  2. lifehack.org Says:

    DIY Digitial Photo Frame

    This is a DIY that worth to mention about. You may saw some readily available digitial photo frame that can automatically show your digitial photos, or you may saw some hacks around that you can make a digitial photo frame yourself by using a lap…

  3. Meatgrinder Says:

    They did something similar with an ITX mobo @ Mini-Itx.com.
    Your method is very cool as well.

  4. BlueCheez Says:

    You made it on hackaday.com. Nice project, I wonder why you put in a wireless card though? Are the pictures stored on the network?

  5. lectrohack Says:

    Very nicely documented. Thanks for all the details. I am going to dig up an old IBM ThinkPad or maybe an old Dell laptop and give this a try. The integration of the wireless card is a nice touch (and prevents the need to constantly create new boot disks with slide shows on them).

  6. la Says:

    you fucking retard, if you have laptops and money to spare how about giving them to me instead. this is by far the most useless and stupid shit i’ve ever seen

  7. Alex Lane Says:

    Very nicely done. Congrats on it working!

  8. dabitch Says:

    La, do you want my 1994 Toshiba with busted motherboard or can I make a picture frame out of that?

  9. Chris Says:

    BlueCheez: Thanks! The reason for putting a wireless card inside it is indeed that the pictures are on the network. That way I can change the slideshow without burning a new cd. That also allows me to be more flexibe. (Showing other things as well like ‘todays weather from the internet’)

    la: Thanks for your intelligent comment :) Keep them to yourself next time.

    Meatgrinder, lectrohack and Alex: Thanks!

  10. Zach Says:

    This is very nicely done, i just wanted to mention that there are many others who have done laptop picture frames:

    http://members.cox.net/fatbasta/dpf.htm
    http://peach.mie.utoronto.ca/people/tsangc/frame100-index.html
    http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=9480#9480
    http://www.awooga.nl/index.php?set_albumName=projectbling&
    option=com_gallery&Itemid=26&include=view_album.php

    What is interesting is how everyone changes the idea to make it unique.

  11. Some Idiot Says:

    Nice! If i had an old laptop i would be cracking out the hammer and screwdriver, to build me one of those.
    Well maybe not the hammer.

    You mentioned that it is totally silent. Does that mean that you removed the fan for the CPU?
    If so, can it stay turned on for a long time without overheating?

  12. Chris Says:

    Some Idiot: No the fan is still there. (see the pictures) It’s just that running a slideshow doesn’t demand that much cpu power and therefore the fan never starts. The other fact that helps to keep the system cool is that the mb is mounted in the lower end of the frame, so the air can circulate well.

  13. Chris Says:

    Zach: Thanks!
    What I believe made this project a success is that this is a very thin frame. I only had 21mm (0.8″) to play with and if you look at the other projects then they’re all much thicker.
    And if they’re thicker then they won’t melt in the interior, which was one of my goals.

  14. Tom A. Says:

    Nicely done. But wouldn’t it be easier to just remove the screen section, glue it to the bottom of the laptop and then put the whole thing in a frame? Unless you have an old laptop you’re still only using about 1.5″ of height max and that’s enough to fit in most standard wooden frames.

  15. Chris Says:

    Tom A: Thanks! Well, it would definetly be easier - but, not as thin.
    21mm that I have here is 0.8″, and the laptop itself was 39mm which is 1.53″.
    Surlely you can find frames that are 1.5-1.6″ thick but then it would not be as nice and slim (and melt into my interiour).

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  17. Jenny Says:

    Wow that looks great! What a Partygag :D
    I would try it myself but I don’t have any laptops which I don’t need :(

  18. NetworkWorld.com Community Says:

    Your laptop: Hang it all

    Ever wanted to rip apart a laptop and re-assemble it within a picture frame you can hang on the wall? Of course you have. Estimated cost: $25.

  19. Sean Says:

    “DIY Digitial Photo Frame

    “This is a DIY that worth to mention about.”

    What?

    “…or you may saw some hacks around that you can make a digitial photo frame yourself by using a lap… ”

    Hey “lifehack.org.” LEARN. ENGLISH.

  20. hahaha Says:

    aff q bosta…

  21. harry Says:

    wait. I don’t get it. so you are gay, or not?

  22. Sushant Bhatia Says:

    NEAT! Company presentations should use this now :-)

  23. Wilhelm Says:

    wow. this is really nice, the cable is near to achieve invisibility.
    About the button on the top, i just cant see them.. so thats god!

    great job. if i get a cheap laptop some time, ill built my own walltop.

  24. Ian Says:

    Now all you need is a pair of triangulating motion sensors and you can have paintings where the eyes _really do_ follow you around the room. In fact, where the _whole head_ of the portrait swivels as you walk past…

  25. spatieman Says:

    well
    i did have some link from a dude who has mounted a flatscreen monitor to the wall for purpose like you did with the walltop ,but this is also a ceuwl idea.

  26. sxin Says:

    Great work & cool design.
    I’m wondering how long does the LCD can last?
    Do you ON it for 24hours x 7?

  27. Flogag Says:

    Hey man, thats my Idea! (I’m from Germany) U have done a great work! looks beautiful!

  28. Julioc Says:

    You are luck to have a notebook to that.
    Here in my country even an old pentium 233mx is rip-off.

  29. Spiderman Says:

    Hey,

    Very nice looking wall top. I think the next project should be a wall top that has touch screen and controls X10 devices. That would be sweet!

  30. Chris Says:

    Thanks all of you for the great feedback.
    sxin: I guess the display will last as long as any laptop screen, and yes it’s on 24/7.

  31. Davedough Says:

    I like this. I have an old Dell Inspiron that dropped off the couch and busted the power input on the motherboard. The power cable will no longer give signal to the board as the little flat piece of the mobo is broken. Is there a way to solder the power cable itself onto the motherboard so I can still provide power? I’ve held on to that poor old laptop for too long, not wanting to throw it out. Please tell me I can actually resurrect it.

  32. Chris Says:

    Davedough: I would almost say it’s a no-brainer… but… if you’re unlucky then you’ve cracked the wrong things at the wrong places.
    The power supply usually only provides 20vdc, so it should be simple enough to follow the wires from broken connector and see where you can solder the cable directly. You only have to find the one that contains the +feed. Ground I think that even a blind man could find.
    You’ve got nothing to loose. Good luck!

  33. KD7CAO Says:

    This was a very nice presentation. Your layout is superb, content is clean, and the resolution of your pictures was great. I enjoyed reading your webpage and must say that I too will be building a walltop… New thing to add to the list.

    Thanks and 73s!

  34. yusaf Says:

    hi.
    Thank you very much. i never seen a good site like this .Proveding deep idea about all advanced technology. In this your expedition you gave as more precious knowledge about everything stuffed me.Would u mind to publish more catagories like u mentioned above.

  35. Moogle Says:

    Nice!
    Btw: you have been buzzed!

  36. Jeff Hager Says:

    I’ve seen these before, have you considered including a webcam to act as a mirror. I’ve seen laptops with a video in, but I’m sure there are USB webcams that would serve the purpose.

  37. Stack Says:

    What are the dimensions of the frame? I have a similar laptop that can go under the knife, but Ikea is 2 hours away, so I wan to make sure I get the right one.

  38. Chris Says:

    Stack: The frame I used was 50*50*3.4 (19″ 3/4*19″ 3/4*1″ 4/5) as outer dimentions. The available inner depth was 21mm (0.8″)

  39. computerxpert Says:

    NICE! id really like to try it but i havnt got a laptop handy. great work! really interesting & original. LA: what would you know. shutup.

  40. christoo Says:

    Chris, well done. Found you on HowStuffWorks.com. Also, it’s fantastic that you reply to questions posted. Very thoughtful.

    Next project: you should mount something similar to your car, so you can post messages like Drive Faster or Get Off My A** or Now Listening to the Kingston Trio!

  41. Madtechman Says:

    Gr8 shit Chris. Would be nice if it was touch-screen.

  42. somchai Says:

    I have a question. How do you disable the keyboard, to get rid of the POST error? Thanks.

  43. Chris Says:

    somchai: Actually - I don’t know. I presume that the laptop doesn’t check for the presense of the internal keyboard, but only for ’stuck keys’.
    Maybe this is not the case with some other laptops, and in that case you might be able to disable this in the bios.
    Another idea if you have post errors for the keyboard would be to dismantle the keyboard and only use the keyboard film. This way you can have the keyboard connected and avoid the post keyboard errors and still fit it as the keyboard film only takes a mm of space.

    Hmm, but after thinking about it… I don’t think the keyboard in a laptop has any intelligens but only provides the keygrid and then the keyboard controller is placed on the mb. And therefore it can’t ’see’ a missing keyboard.
    Again, different laptops have different designs….

  44. computerxpert Says:

    hey, ive got a question… ive got a laptop thats come from the stone-age. its got a trackball and one of those screens that distorts the picture if veiwed from the wrong angle. 1st off, will the trackball be different to distruct & keep working? and 2ndly do you think that i should go ahead with it even though the screens like i said above?

    by the way - it is REALLY cool. nice work.

  45. stuffhead Says:

    nice work!

  46. Chris Says:

    computerexpert: It will probably work even though it has a trackball. But if the screen is of bad quality then I wouldn’t do it because then it’s will not be that functional as a WallTop. I have one of these oldies myself that I’ve been thinking about converting - but the screen is too bad for it.

  47. computerxpert Says:

    ok

  48. computerxpert Says:

    hey, i have an idea. i didn’t really understand how you get it to start a slideshow with no HDD, so i thought you could just select ‘my pictures slideshow’ in the screensaver properties, and under ’settings’ uncheck ‘use transition effects’. it worked fine for me.

  49. LUX.ET.UMBRA Says:

    Laptop to Walltop

    Take an old laptop and turn it into a LCD photo frame! With pictures and great instructions. MAKE GRYNX…

  50. mb_0686 Says:

    Very inspiring project! I basically have the same problem with the broken IDE0 (except it broke while I was trying to build the thing!) so now Im trying to go the bartPE route. Im wondering how you can get your irfranview slideshow to launch automatically as well as any other details about your software setup that havent already been provided. Any help is greatly appreciated.

  51. CHANDELIER Stéphane Says:

    woa..what to say ? nothing i supose !
    very good job, awesome should i say.
    someone would produce it and launch it for sure.

    gratz from France man !

  52. Mannivw Says:

    I did something similar to this and was very happy with the result. But yours! Wow, stunning piece of work.
    Looks like I’m going to have to redo it.

  53. John Says:

    Chris,
    A great idea, a great job, and the best documentation I’ve found. I’m about to embark on converting my dell lattitude, but I’m not that strong on the software front. I’ve a working Dell with win xp, working disk, working wireless card, etc. So the computer is fine, just pretty useless in terms of power today when compared to my desktop or apple laptop.

    Any chance you could walk me through some of the software mods needed to get this to run autonomously after boot and to disable any sort of screen saver or power saver type feature. I particularly liked the idea of storing and reading the photo files from my main desktop. I would like to use my Photoshop Organizer to create a pdf which would control all the fading, transition, etc.

    Any help appreciated or if you know a web site better suited to post the question I’m all ears.

    Thanks and congrats for such a fine job.
    J

  54. rainman Says:

    #43, regarding the kb error possibility, you can use a wireless keyboard. Just get one with small enough of a transmitter.

    Great article, I’ve been inspired!

  55. Laure Says:

    For those who want to take it easy :)
    Digital photo frame
    http://www.digital-frame.com

  56. Davedough Says:

    Laure,

    You miss the point of techies doing what techies like to do. Build something geeky out of obsolete tech parts. Simply buying a digital frame that we all know about does not fulfill the geek side in us of creating something cool with our own hands. Plus, I cant help but think that link is spam and you’re trolling to make some money.

  57. DocOc Says:

    What minimum system requirements are required just for booting XP/2k on CD with BartPE
    and executing a slide show?
    By the way: Very trendy and handy. You can always change your ‘painting’. Brilliant idea!!!

  58. Chris Says:

    DocOc: Good question! I’ve only tried it on 128Mb systems, but it might work with a bit lower like 96Mb.

  59. Ron Says:

    Hi Chris!
    First of all, great job!
    I was only wondering if, when you stick the mobo to the back of the lower side of the screen,
    like you did, the mobo doesn’t overheat due to the warmth the screen’s lamp produces?
    I got one of those huge Acer 1703s (17″) which produce a lot of heat when they are on for a few
    hours. Or am I mistaking and is this heat coming from the batteries?
    Keep up the good work and Greetings from Holland!

  60. Prokop Says:

    2 sxin: Some TFT screens have lamp lifetime counter in OSD. I think, the standard lifetime is 35000 hours (source: Neovo F-417) which means about 4 years of 24/7 usage. I am now thinking about my own walltop solution, diskless, powered over ethernet cable and I will try to implement daily scheduled lamp power-off using command line tool NirCmd [http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/nircmd.html] BTW:Lamp power-off works fine, but any ideas how to turn it back on using cmd?

  61. Chris Says:

    Ron: The heat comes from the CPU (when working hard), the screens backlight, and the charger and batteries. I don’t use a battery so that’s less heat. I don’t use any CPU intensive applications so that’s even less heat.
    But, the major thing is that there is a lot of space in the frame, and as the mobo is mounted in the lower part the heat will raise. So far I haven’t heard the fan kick in a single time.

  62. StarFox Says:

    Hey Chris,
    Nice job. Considering the same thing. My only problem is that I can’t get the BartPE to boot. The HD itself is totally fried but the IDE0 channel still works. I’ve been trying for a couple days to track down and answer as to how to actually boot with BartPE. If you could help me out in this area it would be greatly appreciated. it goes through the process of detecting harware and then the loader bar accross the bottom, but then I get a blank screen when I shoud be getting the Windows XP loader bar. Nothing happens at all after this. If I try the same cd on my desktop computer it works fine. Any ideas?

  63. Chris Says:

    Starfox: I would have a look at the BartPE support forum for help.
    You’ll find it at http://www.911cd.net/forums/
    It sounds like you are having an compability problem with that computer.

  64. Torben Says:

    I have gone through all the bartpe sites and 911cd forums trying to find a way to get my dlink dwl650 card to recognise the ssid etc on boot. I am using a w2k3 version of bartPE which detects the card by default. I don’t want to add XpE to the bartPE cd just to get wifi zero config. You may not know the answer to the exact card i am using but would you mind sharing your INF file for your card. it may give me a starting point on how to edit the netprism.inf that appears to load my wifi card.

    you can email me if you don’t want to post the entire file here (though I can imagine I am not the only one pondering it.) mrtorben “(AT)” gmail “(d0t)” com

    thanks I appreciate it.
    once i get it working i will link back to your site and give you proper credit for the help.

  65. Dave Says:

    Could I get the .inf file information that allowed you to run your wireless network.

    Thanks.

  66. Kyle Says:

    Hey I was wondering as Ikea has many different sizes of the Ribba. What sizw did you use?? Thank you

  67. Chris Says:

    Kyle: It’s easy to forget the obvious! The frame is 50*50cm.

  68. Chris Says:

    Dave: I’ll send it to your email address!

  69. Kerry Says:

    Can I also get the inf that you used for your wireless configuration? I’m having a terrible time finding info on it.

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  71. Los Angeles Says:

    It’s great idea!! I must do it myself. I’m crazy about things doing myself! And that’s is amazing/ Tahnk you for great ideas :)

  72. inkognito Says:

    brilliant! just fucking brilliant!

  73. eviltwiner Says:

    grreat walkthrough!

    Actually have wiorking on a project inspired by this in 2 weeks now :)

    Want pics?

  74. Craig Says:

    Can I get a copy of the .inf too? I did something similiar with a D300XT but I have it booting on a HD, I like the BootPE idea and I’d love to give it a try.

  75. deeeman Says:

    Great Idea, Just finished mine using an old dell latitude cpi and its great, I left xp load so that I could switch between the trippy windows media visualizations, picture slideshows, and animated gif files.
    thanks for the Idea.

    Hey La, your an ass!!

  76. Charlie Says:

    graet job i think it turned out great

  77. Bob Says:

    Hey Chris,

    Nice conversion. My last DIY PC project (a Car Audio Jukebox using Unix (Cajun)) was way back in
    1999 (http://oneironaut.tripod.com/) before the wave of modern MP3 players caught on (man was that
    a huge wiring nightmare!). I eventually sold the car with much of the installation still in place
    and the box has since been retired. Now I’m looking for a new project (or two) to work on.
    I now have a damaged laptop which can be donated…

    * Am I being stupid, or are PC tablets the ideal candidate for this kind of project?
    * My new (working) M4438G Fujitsu-Siemans laptop will boot a Linux variation “Powercinema” straight out the box (instant-on for playing
    media files, etc), complete with a remote control. I’ll probably try to do a similar software setup and by
    adapting the REALLY useful IR serial device I built for the Cajun box, I can use any old remote control.
    I doubt that I can pull apart the (OEM) Powercinema OS on the Fujitsu Siemans for my uses though…
    * Are there any websites you’ve come across that focus on Linux based media installations that have professional
    looking interfaces (like a free Powercinema interface)? Connecting that with wireless connectivity and a video-out
    would make a pretty potent (and portable) “picture frame” media centre…
    * does anyone have details of how to get a TV-sized video signal displayed on a laptop screen (security cams & all)?

    Completely off subject, but a few months ago, I visited a friends house and saw they had created a frankensteinian
    projector….. using an old laptop LCD and an old-school overhead projector to project a hi-res 9ft image onto a screen.
    Nothing huge in terms of lumens (3000?) - hardly small and it requires cooling the LCD, but amazing detail for a projector, because
    the LCD is so big! Definitely a future project to tackle. I’m trying to get him to create a website to document it.

    Also completely off the subject - but media freaks may be interested - I see that various companies make 100% noiseless
    enclosures now - using heat pipes, peltier heat junctions etc. See www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/code_list.asp?code=020
    & others. Ideal for a media centre for those so inclined.

    Anyway - nice to see u’re still replying to messages. Any future projects ?
    Regards,
    Bob

  78. Aseem Says:

    To BOB: I visited a friends house and saw they had created a frankensteinian
    projector….. using an old laptop LCD and an old-school overhead projector to project a hi-res 9ft image onto a screen.
    Nothing huge in terms of lumens (3000?) - hardly small and it requires cooling the LCD, but amazing detail for a projector, because
    the LCD is so big! Definitely a future project to tackle. I’m trying to get him to create a website to document it.

    “I think this one is on TOMSHARWARE WEBSITE check it out.”

  79. Paul Says:

    Hey there,

    I really like this hack, it’s very cool. So cool that I am trying to replicate it! I similarily have an old laptop with a busted HD (damn you, deskstar).

    Anyway, my only trouble is that I’m having a hell of a time finding how to put wifi config info (WPA, too) into an .inf. Could you please send me your modded inf file? I’d appreciate it alot.

    Thanks,
    Paul

  80. TomTheGeek Says:

    Do you have any more details on the software and script configuration? I am almost in exactly the same situation as you, I have an old laptop with a busted IDE chain that I have been booting with BartPE and my wireless card as a coffe table computer. I got a new laptop and I thought it would be a good idea to turn the old one into a picture frame. I wanted to keep the pictures on my network like you since I have no HD. My wireless card already works, I just need the details on running irfanview and how your script works.

    Thanks a Ton!!!

  81. Hacker0029 Says:

    TOTALLY COOL. I am 12 and i am working on one of these myself. I am running linux on it

  82. Phil G Says:

    Me too!
    No pictures as they all look the same. Tosh T4900CT, unforch only 640×480, completely stripped down
    to m/board & display module, no CD, hard-drive, PCMCIA, battery or anything non-essential.
    Boots DOS from floppy, autoexec.bat makes a 2MB ramdisk, then copies command.com to ramdrive &
    sets comspec, unzips about 50 jpgs from the floppy to the ramdrive, then runs an LXPIC slideshow
    from the ramdrive. The floppy drive is unused once the slideshow is running, so its silent.
    Works a treat & took less than an hour to do, apart from the shopping time (for the £20 frame).
    Thanks for the idea!
    Phil
    (Knottingley, UK)

  83. Steven Gauerke Says:

    How bout trying this? Linux has that bootable Movix software to where you can make a picture slide show using any simple home video. You COULD use Movix to make a bootable CD that will load Movix and play the video you created…OR….you can have Movix put it on a cheap USB pen drive. Granted that would mean that you have to have the USB port mounted on the back side of the picture frame too but that shouldn’t be to hard…and the fact that you can easily remove the USB pen drive and redo the whole thing with new pictures. No network cables or drivers for network cards.

  84. Moose Says:

    This was sooo cool that I had to rush to make it. It is going great but I am having the same problem getting my wireless network into my .inf file. Can you Please send the above mentioned .inf file to me as well please. This is one of the best DIY I have seen in a long time. Great Job!!

  85. Phil G Says:

    Further to msg 82 above, heres a clip. Its a DOS based Tosh 4900ct, no network, hard-drive, CD,
    battery, keyboard, PCMCIA, etc just bare motherboard & display module, and LXPIC software (which is
    great & free)
    video clip: http://home.btconnect.com/danewalk/other/phils_digi_picframe.wmv
    Phil
    (Knottingley, UK)

  86. Phil G Says:

    Sorry chaps, one thing I forgot to mention… the connection between the motherboard & the display module is very short,
    so normally you would have to place the motherboard towards the bottom of the back of the frame. Since a picture generally
    leans out at the top, away from the wall, the bottom is where you have least the room for the motherboard.
    My crude solution was to invert the screen, so I could have the motherboard at the top of the frame, and to invert all the
    JPG pictures. You only notice whilst its booting up, once LXPIC is running, it all looks perfectly normal as you
    can see from the video. Thats why LXPIC appears to be scrolling from the bottom up rather than the usual top down.

    Also a note on keyboards - most lapop keyboard assemblies are just the switch matrix, not the electronics,
    which are on the motherboard. Hence you can usually unplug the matrix & it will boot ok as the POST
    sees the keyboard controller on the motherboard. I expect there will be exceptions where the controller
    is within the keyboard module - I was lucky with the Tosh. The only downside was the screen res which is 640×480
    and makes it look a bit too ‘framey’.
    Cheers
    Phil G ( philg at talk21 dot com)

  87. William G Says:

    Chris,

    I had started a smiliar project to yours before I ran into your website. I found you because I did d a search to solve a problem I encountered while taking my latop apart. I have been unable to remove the backplate from the motherboard (the backplate is the metal piece visible from the back of the laptop when it is fully assembled, the place where all the connectors are). I removed all (visible) screws and even removed the heatsink, but cannot remove the back plate. It “wiggles” a few millimiters, but will not come off, and I am afraid of using too much force on it. Is there a “trick” like a hidden screw or hinge, or does it simply take some force to get it out once all screws are removed?

    Let me know if you need any more info!

    Cheers,

    William

  88. Chris J. Says:

    William G: Sometimes a laptop is assembled as a perfect fit which means that you need might need to wiggle a bit more or apply some more force. When doing this you should be able to see where it’s stuck and then you might find another screw that you need to loosen.

  89. Andrew Says:

    http://www.likelysoft.com/hacks/pictureframes.shtml has a number of resources for people wanting to do similar projects to this one.

  90. techy Says:

    I have no idea how to script or do any of that stuff… could you send me links to it, or do you have a sample I could borrow???
    Thanks a million!!!

  91. Bakir Says:

    Hi Chris,
    First of all, Good job, you have really made my day. I’m a person who likes to create strange stuff and this project was in my mind for a long time but always was wondering how I can boot the laptop with no HDD, and you have answered this question beautifully. The only question I have is how did you set your SSID and WEP setting in the .inf file.

    Thanks,
    Bakir

  92. michael Says:

    i have a question the laptop i have dosen,t boot past the dell splash screen will this still work though

  93. twiggy Says:

    Hey, great idea!.. just wish i had a laptop worth sacrificing.. my gf’s gor a new toshiba wiht a broken lcd.. but the damn thing is 500 smackers to replace. maybe ill go buy one from those ripoff people at the flea market… and btw chris.. a usb port ont heside of the frame would be cool. perfect for.. say a usb hdd or flash drive.. you could boot damn small linux from that. www.damnsmalllinux.org

  94. Daniel Says:

    I really love this hack - thinking about doing one myself!
    Maybe a *really* stupid question, but perhaps someone/Chris could enlighten me…
    With all the cables loose and the motherboard out in the open, isn’t there any risk of injury/electric chock involved in touching the inner parts of the laptop? What about the flex cable from the screen to the motherboard? The touchpad print layout?
    Or is it just the high voltage part on the screen that you should look out for?

  95. Logan Says:

    I think this is great and I’m venturing to do this myself. I’m just stuck on getting the SID and WEP into the .inf file. Could you send me your version as well? I would really appreciate it. Thanks.

  96. sm Says:

    i find this sad, not the project,
    the findings that i dont have any spare cash or parts to make this work lol

    (or at least yet)
    keep up the good work

    for people who want to look at the bart PE site
    goto
    http://nu2.nu

    for everything else id suggest live editions of linux
    aka suse live disks
    or ubuntu
    or knoppix (this can be installed to hdd from the live cd as well)
    suse 10 has sufficient wireless capabilities.

    the only problem with the bart pe route, is if someone was devious to dob you in to MS for making an un-licenced pe disk you get litigation to the door, which is uncool

    i preffer linux myself, as its open-sourced and this means basically in laymans terms, you do what you like , how you like, when you like, as long as u make ur mods available to others (if u do stuff under the GPL or LGPL)

    you cant really do that with the ms software, its not really that configurable if you think about it, you only get an illegal oppertunity to mod a 16 color image on bootup on the pe disk

    whereas on linux , you can theme it using millions of colours, so if u somehow make a remote startup (literally a remote or connect via network) you could make a fancy boot logo lol

    e.g

    the guy called chris could have some big penguin on it, and call it “the big linux picture frame, by chris”
    and have some penguins walking down the sides of the screen while it boots up etc etc

    and he could customise how the gui looks right from the login to what he would see within the desktop after he logs in.

    its all about imagination, the possibilities are endless,
    this frame is probably the tip of the iceberg

    another idea i thought of , sounds like 2 suggestions above but its not in the end of it .

    what about having a webcam wired in, so it shows through the frame on a little dot, as security based intruder detection system, like you could have some family photo showing on the screen (mabye as a screensaver) have some sort of second desktop (os independant saying) and have a wireless connection to it, (trapsing wires gives it away) and use it as a intruder cam (photos, videos, even if u have speakers on the laptops case put onto it, you could possibly somehow wire up a wireless mic and wind up a burgler in a dark room lol

    lol i talk too much when i get all geeky lol (especially when im typing on my own lol, must be the geek-foo yeilding its light lol)

    ok im gona go now, im tired (1:59 am GMT united kingdom)

    laters

  97. Eric Says:

    Could I get the .inf file that you use for the autorun.inf and autorun-penetcfg.inf

  98. Donald E. Sterling Says:

    I had an idea though. A cheepo DVD player would be nice too. You can then use a remote, play video, and even more pictures on one disk.

  99. DR Ware Says:

    I just finished a write up on how I did much the same thing.
    I have now made two frames from old windows laptops.
    The laptops now run Damn Small Linux and sync with a
    central file server. One frame is in my home the other at work.

    http://www.thewares.net/item/33

  100. Jesse Says:

    You have inspired me to follow in your footsteps. One Question though, the laptop I am working with does not have a CD-rom attached. What do you suggest? Many Thanks!

  101. Brandon Says:

    Can you expand a bit on the network config you used? I’ve added the correct network drivers, but I”m not sure where you put the SSID and WEP key. Also, how did you get the auto configurator to not run, and instead, load the network automatically?

  102. danielle Says:

    i have a laptop and my keyboard has just broke down. what can i do?

  103. danielle Says:

    i need help! i was on my computewr when my keyboard on my laptop just broke down and now i have to use a screen keyboard which takes forever to s4end a messege to someone! what can i do?

  104. danielle Says:

    HELP ME !!!!!!!!

  105. Chris J. Says:

    Danielle: Well, simple. Get a new one…

    No seriously, the easiest way to get your laptop functional again is to get an external keyboard. Either a normal one with a small round connector or a usb keyboard.
    You could ofcourse also call the company which manufactured the company and ask then what it would cost to have it fixed…

    Or - take your laptop apart and disconnect and reconnect the keyboard. Ruins the warranty and might ruin your laptop if you don’t know what you’re doing, but it has worked for me more then one time.

  106. Russ Says:

    Great project. I have a Presario laptop I found in the trash a few months ago and have been trying to find a way to convert the display into a standard desktop display for my son’s computer. Hardly as complicated a task as yours, but I have much less skill than you too. Where can I find a circuit diagram for the LCD display and tech requirements to drive it?

  107. Chris J. Says:

    Russ: I doubt that you will find a curcuit diagram on your laptop or the LCD screen.
    I’ve followed several discussions about connecting a old laptop screen to a regular computer and what it all comes down to is that the converter (or components necessary) needed to get it to work is usually a lot more expensive then to buy a second hand LCD screen on eBay.

  108. Burgerking Says:

    You could wire in a USB port and dismantle a USB drive to store photos on instead of the network card… but you’d still need the drivers… This idea is great, i’ll do it when my hard drive dies… which wont be long since i’ve been using it on buses for the past two years.

    I’m sure i’ll find a way around the network thing when i do it, since i don’t have a wireless hub and i don’t want to burn a new CD every week.

  109. Shawn T Says:

    Anybody ever heard of the “Magic Touch” touch screen add-on? I made my wall top a touch screen wall top with this ez add-on. Its just a piece of glass with plastic around the edges (pretty thin) made for just about any size screen. just velcro it on. plug it into the usb install the software and wammy!!! Touch Screen Power!!! Best thing about it is they are relativly inexpensive. I got a remanufactured one for under a $100. My walltop sits on my end table with a wireless keyboard in the drawer under it for surfing the web. This is the coolest diy project iv seen.

    KEYTEC INC…
    www.magictouch.com

  110. Ben Says:

    Hey, I have an old Dell laptop screen (without any wires). I cant turn into a hanging picture computer because all I have is the LCD screen itself. Although I would like to turn it into a desktop monitor. Any ideas?

  111. Steve Says:

    Just finished (well I mean have it running in a frame, still want to add stuff, more in a minute)
    setting up a Dell C600 without a HD. Currently have the photos and Irfanview on a USB drive with a
    wireless PS2 Keyboard/Serial Mouse. Works great.

    My wish list is to get it hooked up to my network and have it start and cutoff
    (the computer, no need to run it at night) at a predetermined time, and instead of using
    Irfanview, use a scrensaver so that I don’t have to start and stop it when I want to use the internet.
    Since I have a wireless keyboard/mouse, it would be nice to pull up a weather map or TV guide or
    imdb.com (number of uses in the living room, BTW I have it setting in the entertainment center on a
    shelf). Probably be simpler just to go buy a $65 HD and then I would not be limited by BartPE.

  112. Richard Silvers Says:

    This was part of the inspiration for my own walltop project. You can check it out at:
    http://walltop.blogspot.com.

  113. David Says:

    WOW - You solved an irksome problem converting a Dell laptop with me - got the post error - figured the BIOS battery was just shot - never thought to look at the trackpad for the battery, but there it was! Thanks!

  114. Dieter Says:

    Very nice job. I’d also like a copy of your .inf file which auto joins your wireless network. Once this is automated I should be up and running. Thanks!

  115. Matt Says:

    Great job. I too am looking for a copy of your .inf file with your wireless network configurations. Thanks in advance

  116. Patrick Says:

    i’ve created something like this also last year.
    pics are at:
    http://members.aol.com/pofrani/armada01.jpg
    http://members.aol.com/pofrani/armada02.jpg
    http://members.aol.com/pofrani/armada03.jpg

  117. Fleeb Says:

    Can you expand a bit on the network config you used? How do you get it to autojoin and not run the autoconfigurator thingy?
    How and where do you put the SSID and WEP key in the .inf? I have everything but the network portion working. Thanks!
    email: nrtimpan@gmail.com

  118. Patrick Says:

    I can’t be bothered to read all the comments, but if you want to know what i used with mine, windows XP - using a wireless pc card. the picture frame contains a 20gig HD, cd drive (that i can pull out), battery.
    i am using dameware to control it from another computer (to put new pictures in or movies)

    i am using an OSX screen saver version for windows XP. i forget where i found it now..but it’s on
    the web somewhere.

    i am planning on putting a webcam on it as well (for my second version) (i have a couple more old laptops
    that i got from work) and a better picture frame

  119. Chris J. Says:

    **** .inf file attached ****

    Fleeb: By putting the information of the network into the .inf file it will default to this even though it’s over WEP.

    Have a look at it here.
    It’s all in the .inf file that controls the wireless card. If the settings in the .inf driver work then it will never ask for any more settings. The file attached is a modified version of the original driver for my card. I’ve added line 353 and 399 and you’ll need to fill in the appropriate information at the end (Wep key and sid) for it to work.

    Cheers,
    Chris

  120. George B. Says:

    Here is another one I came across. It looks clean. Though, this one boots off a hard disk and not the network.
    http://farookh.spaces.live.com/

    (It is a blog so read it from the first post for proper sequence.)

  121. sirpaul Says:

    Really cool, would love to do something like that one day, probably one year later, when I gwt into grade 10…need
    to learn more. =-)

  122. Justin Says:

    I am in the process of creating a digital picture frame and I have created and BartPE boot disk and need more information on which files to edit to get it to auto run the slide show program and map a Network drive. Any help will be greatly appericated. Thanks.

  123. Bill Says:

    Great idea. Thanks for the inspiration. Here is mine:

    http://blog.existenceexists.com/?p=39

  124. warwick Says:

    Hi I Want to make a walltop. I have downloaded Bartpe and that works fine. I’m not sure how to get
    a slideshow working (It has no harddrive ) and how to map it to read a card reader (USB) or photos
    (JPEG) from the cd or card reader. Can anyone help!!!!!!! warwick

  125. Tore Bergvill Says:

    Great work, and inspiriation to make my own:
    http://privat.bluezone.no/toreb2000/picframe.html
    Regards from Tore

  126. Warwick Says:

    Hi, I’ve solved the problem. I load Inview on a 1gb pen drive plus 460 photos (jpeg) I now run it off the pen. Works fine Warwick

  127. Sacha Says:

    Im liking these projects! I stumbled across this page because I am looking to do something a bit wacky. I want to make a games console using laptop technology because the boards are small, low powered, can use batteries so it would be good to take anywhere. I wont need a keyboard, mouse or screen. Just a cd/dvd unit, the board with cpu & ram plus a power source (batts or mains).

    Question to anyone here is where do I start?

  128. Joe Says:

    Chris, you were my inspiration. I made a DPF using a Dell Latitude CSx (yours is not a CSx, by the way) and it turned out awesome. That IKEA frame is the best frame I’ve come across for this project. If anyone wants to see how I made mine, I documented my steps in detail at www.ferhoodle.com

  129. Jamie Says:

    This is some really creative stuff. There was a talk (myth?) some time ago about pictures in Bill Gates’ house that would change according to mood. May be it was just a desktop hidden behind the frames? :) There’s some other weird stuff people can do with old laptops — http://www.obsoletepc.org/?bw4553df72c3ff6z — people who have the time anyway. Sacha, would love to hear what comes of your ideas. Game console sounds like fun!

  130. Adolonta Says:

    i am planning on putting a webcam on it as well (for my second version) (i have a couple more old laptops
    that i got from work) and a better picture frame

  131. Tramacet Says:

    Im liking these projects! I stumbled across this page because I am looking to do something a bit wacky. I want to make a games console using laptop technology because the boards are small, low powered, can use batteries so it would be good to take anywhere. I wont need a keyboard, mouse or screen. Just a cd/dvd unit, the board with cpu & ram plus a power source (batts or mains).

  132. Prokop Says:

    Great inspiration, amasing. See my walltop, made from HP Omnibook [ http://www.proluka.net/walltop ]
    BTW: Anyone sorted out the problem with automatic PowerOn / Off on given time?

  133. Duane G. Says:

    Does anyone have a copy of his launch.cmd?

  134. Chris J. Says:

    Duane G.: There isn’t that much to it but here it is…

    @echo off
    echo Batchfile started...
    net use P: \\gerado\public
    x:\Programs\Nu2Menu\setres.exe h1024 v768
    if exist == "\slide\slide.exe" goto slide
    goto end:
    :slide
    pskill nu2menu.exe
    \slide\slide.exe
    goto end
    :end
    exit

  135. Duane G. Says:

    Chris can you shoot me an email with a copy of your inf for Wireless card to add the SSID and WEP Key at startup.

  136. kdrlx0 Says:

    Here is mine (work in progress) –
    http://kedardamle.blogspot.com/2007/05/my-very-own-digital-picture-frame.html
    http://kedardamle.blogspot.com/2007/05/digital-picture-frame-contd.html

  137. Brent Says:

    I did a laptop-to digital-picture-frame project using my wifes broken Vaio Laptop. I first repaired her laptop and then I converted it into a frame. It’s based on XP since it already had XP installed. Uses Slickr and wifi so that updating photos is done entirely on the internet. Fun project and didn’t cost me much.

    Here’s my writeup on it: http://brentevans.blogspot.com/2007/05/converting-old-laptop-into-digital.html

  138. Ken Says:

    Hi Chris,

    I’ve always wanted to build one of these and this post pretty much inspired me and motivated me enough to get off my lazy butt and get it done.

    Mine is still a work in progress but has many similarities to your build. You can see my write up on my blog at http://blog.dimensionzero.ca/?page_id=254

    @Brent: It’s pretty funny, I just saw your build and it’s really similar to what I have planned as well. VNC, SlickR and a Sony VAIO on a timer except that yours is much easier than what I’ve got going on, lol.

  139. TJ Says:

    looking at your digital photo frame, I wanted to know if it was possible to run it over eithernet? like power over ethernet. There are laptop that have pcmica card slots and you can use CF to replace the Cdrom drive. plus with a wireless card you can connect to it and change the pics on it. Let me know!

  140. kdrlx0 Says:

    [Quote]
    # TJ Says:
    May 8th, 2007 at 19:00
    looking at your digital photo frame, I wanted to know if it was possible to run it over eithernet? like power over ethernet.
    [/QUOTE]
    Power over ethernet would burn not only the cable but also the NIC and ultimately the motherboard. :)

  141. David Says:

    Chris can you shoot me an email with a copy of your inf for Wireless card to add the SSID and WEP Key at startup.

  142. Michael Says:

    Hi,
    I built one myself, you can see it booting on youtube:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQFT2ZaFOjI

  143. ryan Says:

    anybody know where i can find instructions to put a built in webcamera lens and built in microphone into my old laptop? sounds cheesy but i love my laptop (use it for work) and don’t want to change it. I have the instructions for how to take it apart and get to the mother board. thnx.

  144. Javier Says:

    It’s a great idea for recycling old laptops. I recently found an IBM thinkpad t30 on the sidewalk, with no battery, but I can’t make it work only on the AC adapter. Is there any way to fool it?

    Greetings from sunny Spain.

  145. Gareth Says:

    What an excellent idea, I was browsing for ways to use a laptop display as I have an old Vaio with the ‘instant death’ power problem and I couldn’t be bothered to fix it. Also I have used this machine sitting on my coffee table with the my pictures screensaver on buy it is abit naff to see the whole machine. I have some pretty thick frames and I expect i could mount the whole laptop folded out behind one. With maybe another still picture below the screen to balance the frame.
    Many thanks for the idea.

  146. great idead for a notebook Says:

    Ha I just came across this — to funny

  147. Javier Garcia Says:

    Hi,

    I’m desperately looking for XP drivers for my Latitude CSX H, exactly the sound card driver. Does anybody own the same laptop? If so, would he/she be so kind to send me a copy of this driver?

    Thank you very very much.

  148. Madrigorne Says:

    just fabulous. the local university sells drive-less laptops for a few bucks each, and this can put up season-appropriate family pictures all in one, can swap at will, and not take up every inch of wall space. I like your three frame arrangement, though instead of matted artwork I think I will use one way glass in the digiframe and mirrors in the other two so if we have a powerout, it will only show three mirrors instead of artwork-null-artwork.

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